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The Score: Report: Encarnacion seeking 5-year, $125M deal
#1
http://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1149056...-125m-deal

Not sure how accurate this is. It's Rick Westhead again who doesn't have much of a track record in baseball circles. But I could see it being in the ballpark of EE's starting price.

In terms of what's been established as the cost per WAR in free agency, Edwin would have to turn back the clocks a bit and not decline much at all from his 2016 production for $125M to make sense.

I'd love to see EE return to Toronto but not at this price.
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#2
Thats probably about the price he ends up getting from someone. Or somewhere between $20M and $25M/year
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#3
Not an unreasonable demand. Especially if you assume that it is just a starting point which will always be on the high end. I tend to think the years will come down though. You just don't see 5 years FA deals very much these days unless it is the ultra high end guy's like Price/Greinke or super young guy like Heyward.
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#4
3 years @ $20 mill/per ?
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#5
Too bad the Jays didn't sign him before the season, when a 4 year, $80 million deal may have gotten it done.
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(2016-11-07, 03:40 PM)topgun Wrote: 3 years @ $20 mill/per ?

Probably low. I would guess 3 years, $75 million or 4 years, $90 million (with some kind of option or buyout on the 4th year) would be the likely outcomes.


Interestingly enough the current projections for next season are not particularly kind to EE.  Right now steamer projects him to be pretty much half as valuable in 2017 pegging him with a 2.4 fWAR projection (he has been around 4 fWAR the past two season) and a good but not great 125 wRC+.
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A 5 year deal wouldn't surprise me if a bidding war developed between say, the Red Sox and Rangers. Depending on how the Mariners feel about Volgelbach, I could see them with interest too. Maybe even the Astros.

The key might be how much interest he gets as a 1B from NL clubs. I don't feel he will get much, but all it takes is one team to drive the price up a bit more.

EE's swinging strike rates have been declining for a few years now. I still think he has several more 35+ HR seasons in him but as we've seen with Trumbo, that alone doesn't really translate into a high WAR. At his age he'll be a risky 9 figure investment but someone will probably pay up.
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#8
I wonder if someone like the White Sox might make a run at him as well. Their DH spot was pretty much a black hole this season so signing EE would allow them to either plug EE into the DH spot or move Jose Abreu to DH and have EE play first (or rotate EE and Abreu between 1B and DH as needed.)

Plus they seem to still plan on being contenders next year and they were good enough this year to that if you squint you can think that someone like EE and some better luck/health could make the difference.
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Yeah I could see that. A rotation that starts with Sale, Quintana and Rodon should be pretty good. And a lineup that features Eaton, Frazier, Abreu, Encarnacion, Melky and Tim Anderson would be an interesting one. They're paying Robertson a boatload so he'll probably stick around and Nate Jones emerged as a near-elite late inning arm. It's not hard to see why they don't want to blow it all up. Although with the pitching market the way it is this winter, it's got to be tempting to make Quintana available in a trade. He could probably move the system from a merely average one to top 10 alone.
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So what do the jays do from here? Offer him a big deal and over pay for his good production over the next few years or walk away and look for bargains.

One name i heard they may take a chance on is Eric Thames who put up huge numbers in Japan
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It'll be really interesting to see what Shapiro and Atkins do. If they want to replace two big bats in the lineup they're pretty much going to have to commit to long-term deals to secure them. But with Martin and Tulo's deals already on the books that's adding a ton of salary to payroll down the road for what might amount to very mediocre production. Balancing the current window of contention with long-term flexibility will be a challenge.

They could go after one or two guys like Thames and hope they end up with a bargain deal. They could target left handed bats like Reddick or Alvarez to platoon against right handed pitching. They would be relatively cheap. But is that going to get them back to the postseason? I doubt it.
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Blue Jays making push to re-sign Edwin Encarnacion


Shi Davidi   November 7, 2016, 9:20 PM

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – The Toronto Blue Jays are making a push to re-sign Edwin Encarnacion after some fruitful talks have apparently given the free-agent slugger something to think about, industry sources told Sportsnet.

Things have the potential to move fast, but that’s no guarantee the sides will reach an agreement. An important factor at play is Encarnacion’s desire to remain with the Blue Jays, but he’ll be able to negotiate with all 30 teams starting at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday night and will be highly sought.

The Blue Jays formally extended $17.2 million qualifying offers to Encarnacion and Jose Bautista, but not to Michael Saunders ahead of Monday’s 5 p.m. ET deadline. Discussions with Bautista and Saunders aren’t believed to have progressed far.

Like Encarnacion, Bautista is eager to remain with the Blue Jays but will turn down his qualifying offer because he’ll beat it on the open market. The penalty of surrendering a draft pick to sign a qualified free agent can reduce interest in a player, but that shouldn’t impact Bautista’s market.

Saunders, on the other hand, may have faced a much tougher market if he was tied to a qualifying offer, which is why he may have accepted the strong salary for one season. After an all-star worthy first half gave way to a quiet second half, the Blue Jays didn’t feel they could risk paying him that much.

Still, at least six teams are believed to have legitimate interest in the outfielder and he’s expected to end up with a multi-year deal.

Encarnacion is positioned as one of the market’s top offensive players after hitting 42 homers with 127 RBIs and an .886 OPS this past season. Since the start of the 2012 season, he’s hit 193 homers with 550 RBIs and a .912 OPS.

He’s become a fan favourite for both his production and his parrot-walking home run trots, one he displayed during his walkoff three-run shot that beat the Baltimore Orioles in the wild-card game.

That kind of game-changing power will draw interest from a number of clubs, the Texas Rangers believed to be among them, should he and the Blue Jays not end complete a deal.




http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blu...carnacion/
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(2016-11-07, 09:50 PM)Unreal Wrote: Blue Jays making push to re-sign Edwin Encarnacion


Shi Davidi   November 7, 2016, 9:20 PM

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – The Toronto Blue Jays are making a push to re-sign Edwin Encarnacion after some fruitful talks have apparently given the free-agent slugger something to think about, industry sources told Sportsnet.

Things have the potential to move fast, but that’s no guarantee the sides will reach an agreement. An important factor at play is Encarnacion’s desire to remain with the Blue Jays, but he’ll be able to negotiate with all 30 teams starting at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday night and will be highly sought.

The Blue Jays formally extended $17.2 million qualifying offers to Encarnacion and Jose Bautista, but not to Michael Saunders ahead of Monday’s 5 p.m. ET deadline. Discussions with Bautista and Saunders aren’t believed to have progressed far.

Like Encarnacion, Bautista is eager to remain with the Blue Jays but will turn down his qualifying offer because he’ll beat it on the open market. The penalty of surrendering a draft pick to sign a qualified free agent can reduce interest in a player, but that shouldn’t impact Bautista’s market.

Saunders, on the other hand, may have faced a much tougher market if he was tied to a qualifying offer, which is why he may have accepted the strong salary for one season. After an all-star worthy first half gave way to a quiet second half, the Blue Jays didn’t feel they could risk paying him that much.

Still, at least six teams are believed to have legitimate interest in the outfielder and he’s expected to end up with a multi-year deal.

Encarnacion is positioned as one of the market’s top offensive players after hitting 42 homers with 127 RBIs and an .886 OPS this past season. Since the start of the 2012 season, he’s hit 193 homers with 550 RBIs and a .912 OPS.

He’s become a fan favourite for both his production and his parrot-walking home run trots, one he displayed during his walkoff three-run shot that beat the Baltimore Orioles in the wild-card game.

That kind of game-changing power will draw interest from a number of clubs, the Texas Rangers believed to be among them, should he and the Blue Jays not end complete a deal.




http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blu...carnacion/

To be honest probably rhetoric by davidi to get website hits and to say rogers tried to resign him. Their PR machine is Always at work
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#14
The interest could be exaggerated, no doubt. But I think it's telling that we haven't heard any positive indications regarding Bautista returning. You'd think if it was purely PR-driven that the face of the franchise would be mentioned along side EE. But he hasn't.

I think it's clear the organization prefers to bring back EE over Bautista and have probably made a legitimate offer. Wherever he ends up, hopefully it doesn't drag out too long.
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#15
I wonder if JB would take 2 years, $15M each year? Or if the Jays would even want to offer it?
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Noticed yesterday MLB Trade Rumours is predicting Bautista will re-sign with the Jays at 3 years 51 million. They also have Edwin going to Boston for 4 years 92 million.


I said on another site a few days ago, I'd give Edwin 4 years 95 million, with a 5th year club option at 20 million, with a 5 million buyout. He gets his 100 million guaranteed, and a 4 year deal, and the Jays get some flexibility/savings later in the deal if he happens to keep producing.


Personally I think if Martin is worth 82 million over 5 years, the possibility of paying Edwin 115 million over 5 years, 2 years later, isn't outrageous.
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#17
If all it takes for Boston is 92 over 4...I'll be ticked

That said, I know it is EE's choice and even if Toronto offered 100 over 4, he can take less to sign elsewhere....it's just it would suck to lose him for less than offered....or even worse, lose him because they didn't want to go that high.
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#18
5 years is too long.
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Personally I see Boston going a different route for their DH spot. They have Hanley at 1B and if Moncada's defense at 3B doesn't improve they'll need a spot for him. Pedroia blocks him at 2B and Betts, JBJ and Benintendi block him in the OF.

I just don't see them shelling out $100M to EE leaving Moncada without a spot in the lineup.
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I'd give him that.

I'll gladly take a couple years of overpaid, underachieving Edwin at the end of the contract if it means we can have terrifying power hitter Edwin while our window is still open. They have to realize that with the structure of our team and how good NYY and Boston will be soon, time is of the essence.
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