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According to Woj, Raps about to acquire Kawhi
#21
big key...IF HEALTHY...which he hasn't been.

the good thing though...even if he doesn't want to be in Toronto, he will be motivated to play well and earn his next contract.

as I mentioned in the other thread. Win now, or they are screwed.
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Kawhi said he doesn't want to be in Toronto?
                   
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https://clutchpoints.com/raptors-rumor-k...want-play/


per a "league source" whoever that may be, no...he does not want to.

in the article.... "Leonard has said multiple times (through his representatives) that he intends to be in a major market, particularly in the City of Angels with the express intent of flanking LeBron James"
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Toronto seems to be the Winnipeg of the NBA unfortunately
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First time poster here from Mtl. LOVE your GM. This guy does not mess around (unlike the clown here on the Habs).

You don't win in the NBA without elite players who show up in the playoffs. The Raptors were not going anywhere further with DeRozan here. The series against the Cavs was pathetic.

Leonard has to bring it next season to cash in. There will not be a better opportunity EVER for the Raptors to reach a NBA final then next season. Your GM is going for it as he should.
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(2018-07-18, 10:23 AM)Unreal Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 08:00 AM)encore Wrote: Kawhi, Green for Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected 2019 first. OG not being involved is big. Still a big risky trade, but Raptors fans should be relieved that OG isn’t going anywhere.

From Masai’s perspective, this is a win-win. He likely wanted DD’s contract off the books, which he’s done, and he’s now acquired a top 5 superstar who may or may not re-sign. Regardless though, they can utilize the saved cap space by either signing Kawhi or someone else. Even if Kawhi leaves, I don’t think this trade is awful as cap space is crucially important, and that’s something Toronto didn’t have with Derozan. If they can somehow convince Kawhi to stay, which I’m not expecting, this will be looked at as a huge steal on the Raptors part.

Leonard, when healthy, is a superstar. Unfortunately there's no way of knowing whether he'll be healthy this year, nor if he'll wan to stick around.

DeRozan is certainly not a superstar, but it's still too bad he was involved. He loves the team and city and wanted to be a Raptor for life.

That's one aspect of this that could really blow up in the Raptors faces - if Leonard ends up being a malcontent who doesn't stick around, the optics won't look great when you moved a fan favourite who was devoted to the team to get him.

Also liked Poeltl, but better him than OG or Siakam.  The Top 20 protected 1st is also a win, as it becomes two 2nd round picks if the Raptors use it this year.

It's a really interesting trade. Leonard is quite clearly a significant improvement over DeRozan (if he wants to be), but his attitude and desire to play in Toronto are likely going to come into question on a very young team that is likely to be a key part of the rebuild. How is his attitude going to effect the team's chemistry? Kawhi has done nothing over the last year to indicate he'll be willing to put the team first. From the sounds of it, he couldn't care less how Toronto does this year. That's a pretty scary wildcard to have on your team. Sure he'll be motivated most likely (free agency approaching), but how is he going to fit? That's a tough task for Nick Nurse. 

I really like Masai's mindset here. Your aging core likely had 1-2 years left, so why not really make a go at it and then scrap it and rebuild. That will be next season. Led by Kawhi, they have to get past Boston and Philly. Succeed or fail, they are likely looking at a rebuild next season. Moving DeRozan out, as much as he's a fan favourite, was likely a necessity. Not trading Anunoby is huge. Those are both big wins. But throwing Kawhi Leonard into the mix and just expecting him to gel and play like his 2016/2017 self are huge question marks.
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(2018-07-18, 11:27 AM)Canuxxx Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 11:26 AM)Stevie_Y Wrote: Not sure what the end goal Ujiri has with this deal. No way in hell Leonard remains a raptor, so I guess it's a rebuild.

Clearly Lowry and DD had reached their ceiling. Lowry will probably follow out the door soon enough.

It's too bad because Leonard when healthy is probably a top 5 player in the league.

When healthy he"s the 2nd best player in the league.

I would agree with this. His last healthy season I think you could make the argument he was on LeBron's level. He's maybe the best defensive player in the NBA.
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This absolutely won't happen, but it'd be interesting to see Masai go full savage, and flip Kawhi to the Lakers.

I am certain that the Spurs would be furious, but if you want to maximize this asset...the Raptors are not winning a championship as long as the Warriors exist in their current form no matter what Kawhi does, and the odds of Kawhi re-signing are loooooonnnng.

I would imagine that the Spurs would have told Masai not to deal Kawhi back to the West, but hell, if he can lie to DeRozan, he can lie to the Spurs too. Happy

Rumour was that San Antonio (obviously not wanting to trade Kawhi to LA) was asking for Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, 2x1st and 2 pick swaps. Now, that's ludicrous...but Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart and a 1st is well under the Lakers ask, and still a helluva haul for a guy who you were almost certainly only going to get one year of anyway...and cue the rebuild!

Have these kids cut their teeth against a severely depleted Eastern conference, and make a run at it in 5+ years when the Warriors aren't dressing 5 All-NBA players.
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(2018-07-18, 12:49 PM)encore Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 10:23 AM)Unreal Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 08:00 AM)encore Wrote: Kawhi, Green for Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected 2019 first. OG not being involved is big. Still a big risky trade, but Raptors fans should be relieved that OG isn’t going anywhere.

From Masai’s perspective, this is a win-win. He likely wanted DD’s contract off the books, which he’s done, and he’s now acquired a top 5 superstar who may or may not re-sign. Regardless though, they can utilize the saved cap space by either signing Kawhi or someone else. Even if Kawhi leaves, I don’t think this trade is awful as cap space is crucially important, and that’s something Toronto didn’t have with Derozan. If they can somehow convince Kawhi to stay, which I’m not expecting, this will be looked at as a huge steal on the Raptors part.

Leonard, when healthy, is a superstar. Unfortunately there's no way of knowing whether he'll be healthy this year, nor if he'll wan to stick around.

DeRozan is certainly not a superstar, but it's still too bad he was involved. He loves the team and city and wanted to be a Raptor for life.

That's one aspect of this that could really blow up in the Raptors faces - if Leonard ends up being a malcontent who doesn't stick around, the optics won't look great when you moved a fan favourite who was devoted to the team to get him.

Also liked Poeltl, but better him than OG or Siakam.  The Top 20 protected 1st is also a win, as it becomes two 2nd round picks if the Raptors use it this year.

It's a really interesting trade. Leonard is quite clearly a significant improvement over DeRozan (if he wants to be), but his attitude and desire to play in Toronto are likely going to come into question on a very young team that is likely to be a key part of the rebuild. How is his attitude going to effect the team's chemistry? Kawhi has done nothing over the last year to indicate he'll be willing to put the team first. From the sounds of it, he couldn't care less how Toronto does this year. That's a pretty scary wildcard to have on your team. Sure he'll be motivated most likely (free agency approaching), but how is he going to fit? That's a tough task for Nick Nurse. 

I really like Masai's mindset here. Your aging core likely had 1-2 years left, so why not really make a go at it and then scrap it and rebuild. That will be next season. Led by Kawhi, they have to get past Boston and Philly. Succeed or fail, they are likely looking at a rebuild next season. Moving DeRozan out, as much as he's a fan favourite, was likely a necessity. Not trading Anunoby is huge. Those are both big wins. But throwing Kawhi Leonard into the mix and just expecting him to gel and play like his 2016/2017 self are huge question marks.

It's not likely something fans want to read/hear, but true.  Is DeRozan the type of player you commit a max contract to in his 30s? Probably not. For all the talk of his improved 3 point stroke last year, it was more of a blip on the radar. It still wasn't a strength. Despite his durability, he's not the most athletic player.

Siakam has had a fantastic summer, with some thinking he's primed for a breakout season. I'm glad they kept him.

Green is a surprisingly nice add which gives them a legit threat from 3 point range. Assuming a best case scenario, for this upcoming season the Raptors are a significantly improved team.

There's also the option of moving Leonard at the trade deadline if he makes it clear he isn't staying.

Let's just hope:

a) Leonard is healthy
b) Leonard is a huge Drake fan
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Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors
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(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Can the Raptors/league suspend him without pay if he refuses play for them?  That's bullshit if he does that.
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Raps are huge huge losers of the deal if that happens.

Beyond screwed.
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(2018-07-18, 02:24 PM)Gus Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Can the Raptors/league suspend him without pay if he refuses play for them?  That's bullshit if he does that.

Yes.

If he sits out the entire year, he forgoes his entire $20 million+ salary.

Leonard has to pass his physical for this deal to be consummated.  If he doesn't it can be canceled.
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(2018-07-18, 02:24 PM)Gus Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Can the Raptors/league suspend him without pay if he refuses play for them?  That's bullshit if he does that.

Guy just made 19 million tax free. He could afford it
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(2018-07-18, 02:35 PM)Unreal Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:24 PM)Gus Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Can the Raptors/league suspend him without pay if he refuses play for them?  That's bullshit if he does that.

Yes.

If he sits out the entire year, he forgoes his entire $20 million+ salary.

Leonard has to pass his physical for this deal to be consummated.  If he doesn't it can be canceled.

Could you imagine if DeRozan had to come back and play for the Raps...yikes
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(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Wow
                   
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I don't really know the rules. But can a player really sit the entire season without being penalized?
                   
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(2018-07-18, 02:35 PM)Unreal Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:24 PM)Gus Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Can the Raptors/league suspend him without pay if he refuses play for them?  That's bullshit if he does that.

Yes.

If he sits out the entire year, he forgoes his entire $20 million+ salary.

Leonard has to pass his physical for this deal to be consummated.  If he doesn't it can be canceled.

^Yes.

He is penalized in the sense he does not get paid.

I'm not sure how it affects his UFA status.

I'd think Ujiri had a plan in place for dealing with him, or at least some assurances he would play here.
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(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Holy crap.

If Kawhi sits out...no Kawhi, No DeRozan, & what happens to that protected 1st round pick next year?

Shocked
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(2018-07-18, 03:58 PM)ckendall Wrote:
(2018-07-18, 02:11 PM)Sportking Wrote: Word is he may sit out the year now

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.si.com/nba...on-raptors

Holy crap.

If Kawhi sits out...no Kawhi, No DeRozan, & what happens to that protected 1st round pick next year?

Shocked

It's top 20 protected. If the Raptors suck, they'll certainly get a Top 20 pick (which is theirs) and then San Antonio gets the next two 2nd round picks. That part of the trade is actually great for Toronto - basically, the only way San Antonio gets a 1st round pick is if it's 21st or lower. Otherwise it's a pair of 2nds.

They could potentially get to keep all their 1st round picks from 2019 on.
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