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Comparing Bergevin to his predecessors
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The Hockey Writers launch a new four-part series.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...-gauthier/

In this first installment of a four-part series comparing Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin to his four immediate predecessors, we take a look at Pierre Gauthier.



To spare you some of the suspense:

"So, it turns out, Bergevin and Gauthier have at least one thing in common: They both failed spectacularly… just in different ways. Gauthier burned out in a short period of time. Bergevin’s taking his time fading away.

"As evidenced by how quickly the Habs rebounded following Gauthier’s dismissal with minimal damage having been done, his legacy may not end up quite as tarnished as Bergevin’s when all is said and done."
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(2018-08-10, 11:39 AM)Habituated Wrote: The Hockey Writers launch a new four-part series.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...-gauthier/

In this first installment of a four-part series comparing Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin to his four immediate predecessors, we take a look at Pierre Gauthier.



To spare you some of the suspense:

"So, it turns out, Bergevin and Gauthier have at least one thing in common: They both failed spectacularly… just in different ways. Gauthier burned out in a short period of time. Bergevin’s taking his time fading away.

"As evidenced by how quickly the Habs rebounded following Gauthier’s dismissal with minimal damage having been done, his legacy may not end up quite as tarnished as Bergevin’s when all is said and done."

This is a bit of comparing apples to oranges.

Like you say, the main difference is the length of their tenures.

I'd hazard a guess that if PG got the same length of rope to hang himself with, he might do even worse than MB.  MB was in fact blessed with inheriting a pretty good core, with some very young pieces too (PK, Max, Chucky, Gally, Lars).  

While it may have been a blessing for MB, it was a bit of a curse for Habs fans, as this capable core masked MB's shortcomings long enough for Molson to give him his latest contract, and buy into some of the moves that have hobbled this team for years to come.

So while it's good "fun" to compare GM's, I'd say MB's continual bumbling is really a sad commentary on Molson's ability as owner and president of our Habs.
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(2018-08-10, 11:39 AM)Habituated Wrote: The Hockey Writers launch a new four-part series.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...-gauthier/

In this first installment of a four-part series comparing Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin to his four immediate predecessors, we take a look at Pierre Gauthier.



To spare you some of the suspense:

"So, it turns out, Bergevin and Gauthier have at least one thing in common: They both failed spectacularly… just in different ways. Gauthier burned out in a short period of time. Bergevin’s taking his time fading away.

"As evidenced by how quickly the Habs rebounded following Gauthier’s dismissal with minimal damage having been done, his legacy may not end up quite as tarnished as Bergevin’s when all is said and done."

Sporzer really isn't worth reading any more than Brendan Kelly. At least he's trying to be a bit more balanced, but is not really a hockey mind (IMO).
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(2018-08-10, 11:52 AM)on2ndthought Wrote:
(2018-08-10, 11:39 AM)Habituated Wrote: The Hockey Writers launch a new four-part series.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...-gauthier/

In this first installment of a four-part series comparing Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin to his four immediate predecessors, we take a look at Pierre Gauthier.



To spare you some of the suspense:

"So, it turns out, Bergevin and Gauthier have at least one thing in common: They both failed spectacularly… just in different ways. Gauthier burned out in a short period of time. Bergevin’s taking his time fading away.

"As evidenced by how quickly the Habs rebounded following Gauthier’s dismissal with minimal damage having been done, his legacy may not end up quite as tarnished as Bergevin’s when all is said and done."

Sporzer really isn't worth reading any more than Brendan Kelly. At least he's trying to be a bit more balanced, but is not really a hockey mind (IMO).

Just some food for thought, not an endorsement of the piece per se.

Stuff like this is dead-of-summer filler and, because it involves the Habs, a certain amount of clickbait.

Still, this place can do with the occasional bit of anti-Bergevin material, just for a change.  Wink
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Gauthier ran this team like a mafia boss whereas Bergevin runs this team like an episode of the Benny Hill show running off in random directions. Who's to say which was better
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(2018-08-10, 04:28 PM)mada7 Wrote: Gauthier ran this team like a mafia boss whereas Bergevin runs this team like an episode of the Benny Hill show running off in random directions. Who's to say which was better

Have you really ever seen an episode of Benny Hill? Just an aside. I was simply wondering (given your age). I was just thrown by the reference. Nothing to do with what you said outside of that.
Ancient Chinese Proverb: A mosquito landing on your testicle should help you realize that violence doesn't solve every problem
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(2018-08-10, 07:01 PM)Scriptor Wrote:
(2018-08-10, 04:28 PM)mada7 Wrote: Gauthier ran this team like a mafia boss whereas Bergevin runs this team like an episode of the Benny Hill show running off in random directions. Who's to say which was better

Have you really ever seen an episode of Benny Hill? Just an aside. I was simply wondering (given your age). I was just thrown by the reference. Nothing to do with what you said outside of that.

Not while it was being aired. I know it more by reputation and parodies of it
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Remember when Andre Savard lost his mind and went postal on the idiot referee, running down to ice level maniacally waving the rule book in hand in New Jersey? Can we get him back? Wait....Mariusz Czerkawski ....Randy McKay....nevermind.
C'est quoi le maudit plan?!!
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(2018-08-10, 08:04 PM)mada7 Wrote:
(2018-08-10, 07:01 PM)Scriptor Wrote:
(2018-08-10, 04:28 PM)mada7 Wrote: Gauthier ran this team like a mafia boss whereas Bergevin runs this team like an episode of the Benny Hill show running off in random directions. Who's to say which was better

Have you really ever seen an episode of Benny Hill? Just an aside. I was simply wondering (given your age). I was just thrown by the reference. Nothing to do with what you said outside of that.

Not while it was being aired. I know it more by reputation and parodies of it
The irony was that the womanizing, dirty sex hound, Benny Hill, was gay.
Ancient Chinese Proverb: A mosquito landing on your testicle should help you realize that violence doesn't solve every problem
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What do Bergevin and his predecessors all have in common? They have all stopped helping the Habs become a better team.
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(2018-08-11, 02:27 PM)GloryYrs70s Wrote: What do Bergevin and his predecessors all have in common?  They have all stopped helping the Habs become a better team.

After the great Pollack, the pickings have been slim, Savard has some decent years, not much beyond that.
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(2018-08-11, 03:40 PM)Habcertain Wrote:
(2018-08-11, 02:27 PM)GloryYrs70s Wrote: What do Bergevin and his predecessors all have in common?  They have all stopped helping the Habs become a better team.

After the great Pollack, the pickings have been slim, Savard has some decent years, not much beyond that.

It is unconscionable that this organization has not honoured its greatest GM in some meaningful way.
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(2018-08-10, 11:39 AM)Habituated Wrote: The Hockey Writers launch a new four-part series.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...-gauthier/

In this first installment of a four-part series comparing Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin to his four immediate predecessors, we take a look at Pierre Gauthier.



To spare you some of the suspense:

"So, it turns out, Bergevin and Gauthier have at least one thing in common: They both failed spectacularly… just in different ways. Gauthier burned out in a short period of time. Bergevin’s taking his time fading away.

"As evidenced by how quickly the Habs rebounded following Gauthier’s dismissal with minimal damage having been done, his legacy may not end up quite as tarnished as Bergevin’s when all is said and done."

or will it. I mean MB doesn't seem to be going anywhere and who knows maybe Kokt and Poehling and a few other picks end up being real gems that set us up for a long time.

But in reality, it's the GMs that are present when players make it...that fans associate together. Not so much the one who drafted the players. I am seeing this with the Jays. Ppl wanted AA head. Well he is gone. The new guys is even worse, but the new guy will get he kudos when the prospect pool AA drafted start to shine. It may end up being the same here. If the kids he has recently picked up work out....he prob won't get the kudos for it.

But to say MB's rep will be more tarnished, at this point, is silly cause MB isn't done yet...we dont know yet how it all turns out. Can always be good when all is said and done
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Part two is Bergevin vs. Gainey.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...in-gainey/


"What’s definitely a coincidence is Gainey lasted seven years as Habs GM and Bergevin is entering his seventh as we speak. Will the latter get the chance to pass the Canadiens great? Does he deserve to? The two are probably closer in terms of their success as GM than many Bergevin detractors would be willing to admit.

"Case in point, when Bergevin gets let go, his successor will be able to heed much the same lessons from Gainey’s mistakes (even if Bergevin hasn’t). For example, short-term gains aren’t worth long-term losses. Sacrificing McDonagh to acquire a center already on the decline hasn’t done the team any good beyond that first season. And now the Habs are without anyone to play with Weber (or a No. 1 center, still)."
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(2018-08-13, 02:14 PM)Habituated Wrote: Part two is Bergevin vs. Gainey.
https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-g...in-gainey/


"What’s definitely a coincidence is Gainey lasted seven years as Habs GM and Bergevin is entering his seventh as we speak. Will the latter get the chance to pass the Canadiens great? Does he deserve to? The two are probably closer in terms of their success as GM than many Bergevin detractors would be willing to admit.

"Case in point, when Bergevin gets let go, his successor will be able to heed much the same lessons from Gainey’s mistakes (even if Bergevin hasn’t). For example, short-term gains aren’t worth long-term losses. Sacrificing McDonagh to acquire a center already on the decline hasn’t done the team any good beyond that first season. And now the Habs are without anyone to play with Weber (or a No. 1 center, still)."
They're a little harsh there don't you think? They jump forward as far as 2014 with the results of Gainey's work yet they aren't looking at 2022 and judging Bergevin's work from an even vantage point. They talk about draft choices and ignore Sergachev, and of course ignore the last two drafts but count them for Gainey, yet when he left the GM position neither Subban nor McDonough were game changers. Now neither even plays for the team involved.

I'd say that when the team is winning Bergevin looks really smart and when it is losing people look to him for answers. I'd also say this is totally unfair except for his personality which is to blame every player around when something he wanted to work didn't. Bergevin was a journeyman defenseman from junior to the end of his playing days. He stuck in the NHL for a phenomenal 1191 games, a notable achievement. He picked up a scoring point maybe once every 10 games - most things he tried as a player didn't work all that great, but sometimes it worked ok. He was noted as easy going, a good guy to have on your team. He might not be helping you a lot, but he wasn't hurting you either, and a coach likes that.

As GM he can't be easy going, or a good guy with the players. Unfortunately those were his strengths as a player. 

People can change and grow into a job. But I'm not sure you can just ignore the employees you are upset with. Kovalev needed a walk and talk, he needed Koivu hurt and to be the acting Captain, and he needed to shut Carbonneau's big yap. Bergevin isn't the type to try that with a player, just drop them to the fourth line, the same treatment a journeyman gets from his team. 

Things like that are Bergevin's weak areas. The team is younger and has more depth than it has had for years. The development shows signs of being weak but they have changed Laval and hired Ducharme and Richardson. 

I can't believe I'm defending the guy....
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