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Habs post re Gallagher to Edm deal
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HI All,
Hab fan here...wondering what Oil fans think of a deal like this?? I started a Habs thread on it...IMO it is painful for both sides but ultimately help for both parties....wanted Edm take...

Before I get lambasted....let's consider that Gallagher is on a fantastic contract, his value likely at an all time high after a 30 goal season and still in prime years...so why the hell would I consider trading him? To be brutally honest this one would be painful...it is painful even considering it.....Gallagher is my sons favourite player by a landslide...always has been....and I would not want this to happen however, if I remove the heart side of it and look at it with my head I have to think other teams would be inquiring about him and willing to pay a steep price.....and the team that the Habs seem most suited to dance with is the Oilers....but I feel Patch has limited value to them. Gallagher? is a friend of LUcic, is exactly the type of productive, affordable, gritty winger the Oilers need so badly....then again every team needs a Gallagher. The Habs have well documented issues in the middle...the Oilers have issues at wing and in the cap space dept.

So any deal that included Gallagher me would be hurtful and have to be worth it AND would only be doable if the team was signing another leader like Tavares...AND knew they could get another good winger via UFA.


So anyways...here is my Edm proposal.....WARNING this will hurt to fathom.

Gallagher, Alzner, 3rd ROUND (not overall), Victor Mete and Byron to Edmonton

RNH, Klefbom and Edm 10th overall to Montreal

So HAbs get a top 6 C and a top 4 LD....signed and locked into lineup for at least 3 seasons in Nuge and 5 in Klefbom...and they get a 10th overall...this is why I like this deal.

Oilers get help on wing and Gallalgher would score a ton of goals going to net in EDM, Byron plays with speed, Mete will be more suited to Edm game than ours and would flourish....they eat Alzner contract but they can use a guy like that as they have so many other speedier guys to offset his game and he can stay at home for someone.

At this point our team is not really any better...but has plugged two gaping holes and still have tons of cap space, our other key bargaining chip in Pacioretty. We also now have room higher up in lineup to accelerate growth of Zadina and even Scherbak who I expect to have a breakout season this year....and I expect same from Lehkonen...I think this year both of those guys are going to be significant contributors.

NOW...would Tavares or Stastny sign  knowing team got rid of that many roster guys? I believe so...in fact I believe that this would actually help our chances at another UFA wing or  LD...as there are now legit openings and the team will now be looking good for foreseeable future...as there is a very good chance that after Patch deal as well that they end up with three first round picks...with one being Zadina .....if we all consider at this point that we now have Poehling and the three first rounders from this year that should in theory be 3 top 9 forwards and a top 4 d in pipeline...just out of those alone...yeah may not work out BUT may work out better actually, could wind up with two top 3 guys...it is a gamble but one I think I take.

This would be one painful trade ...for both parties....but in end I think it would help both teams as Oilers could use stabilizing presence of Alzner more than Montreal, they could better use Byron's speed game and cap savings (imagine McD/Byron PK duo? scary as hell...I might decline the PP), they could REALLY USE a guy like Gallagher and Mete would fit like a glove

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Gallagher signed one year longer than Nuge at 2.25 million less, from Edm and friend with Lucic and in MTL is captain material
Byron twenty goal guy at 1.1 million
Mte young fast as hell..future cap savings
Alzner...Edm could use a guy like this more than MOntreal...MTL has Weber and BEnn who paly similar defensive game....Oil may benefit from him
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Hell no. We're getting the lesser players
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If the Oilers are trading three plus plus assets (Klefbom, Nuge and the 10th overall), they are going to be getting an elite player, not a package of lesser players (not saying they aren't good but "lesser" than elite).

There is no way the Oilers are giving up those three assets and the best player they get back is Gallagher - very good player but not the type of asset the organization would require in that type of deal.
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Nope. The Oilers lose that deal at every level.

They get weaker up front and down the middle, where depth matters.
They get weaker on the back end and trade a player on a good value contact for a higher paid, lower quality, older player.
They give up the best prospect in the form of the 10th overall.

How come Habs fans seem so convinced the Oilers will roll over on any deal with them?
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How is Gallagher "lesser" than Nuge? you use Nuge as a winger...Gllagher outscores him, plsays with lesser players than Nuge and is 2.25 milliona year less in cap hit. Byron is another 20 goal guy...
in last three seasons Nuge has 54 goals...Pual Byron ahs 53...and is on a 1.1 million contract.

Alzner vs Klefbom...is apples vs oranges....Kelfbom better offensively...Alzner better defensively...but we get cheaper player

Mete.....I suspect the average OIler fan does not know who MEte is but management would be well aware...but be is the reason the HAbs were able to trade Sergachev...he was a low draft pick but is an elite skater who unexpectedly soared up the depth chart due to his skating...if there were are draft he would be a top 15 pick

The fact that I am getting grief from the HAbs side AND the OIlers side tells me it is relatively fair ...and would be painful for both sides...
The cap savings ofr the Oilers would go a long way and Mete/Byron are ELITE skaters...they are two guys who can play at McDavid pace if that is humanly possible ...
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(2018-05-16, 09:55 AM)krob1000 Wrote: How is Gallagher "lesser" than Nuge? you use Nuge as a winger...Gllagher outscores him, plsays with lesser players than Nuge and is 2.25 milliona year less in cap hit. Byron is another 20 goal guy...
in last three seasons Nuge has 54 goals...Pual Byron ahs 53...and is on a 1.1 million contract.

Alzner vs Klefbom...is apples vs oranges....Kelfbom better offensively...Alzner better defensively...but we get cheaper player

Mete.....I suspect the average OIler fan does not know who MEte is but management would be well aware...but be is the reason the HAbs were able to trade Sergachev...he was a low draft pick but is an elite skater who unexpectedly soared up the depth chart due to his skating...if there were  are draft he would be a top 15 pick

The fact that I am getting grief from the HAbs side AND the OIlers side tells me it is relatively fair ...and would be painful for both sides...
The cap savings ofr the Oilers would go a  long way and Mete/Byron are ELITE skaters...they are two guys who can play at McDavid pace if that is humanly possible ...

Nuge plays a significant amount of time at Centre. Does Gallagher play centre? 

Wingers are not worth much on the market. They are certainly not worth top 6 centres who are versatile.

Edmonton has depth on the left side. Any trade involving Klefbom will be for a right shot defender, not another left shot. 


You are probably getting grief because it is not a a good trade. PC wants to win now. This trade does not accomplish this. It does not bring them closer to the playoffs. This trade does not addres the primary areas of concern for Edmonton. It’s not a trade the Oilers would be interested in.
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(2018-05-16, 10:04 AM)TheOilerFan83 Wrote:
(2018-05-16, 09:55 AM)krob1000 Wrote: How is Gallagher "lesser" than Nuge? you use Nuge as a winger...Gllagher outscores him, plsays with lesser players than Nuge and is 2.25 milliona year less in cap hit. Byron is another 20 goal guy...
in last three seasons Nuge has 54 goals...Pual Byron ahs 53...and is on a 1.1 million contract.

Alzner vs Klefbom...is apples vs oranges....Kelfbom better offensively...Alzner better defensively...but we get cheaper player

Mete.....I suspect the average OIler fan does not know who MEte is but management would be well aware...but be is the reason the HAbs were able to trade Sergachev...he was a low draft pick but is an elite skater who unexpectedly soared up the depth chart due to his skating...if there were  are draft he would be a top 15 pick

The fact that I am getting grief from the HAbs side AND the OIlers side tells me it is relatively fair ...and would be painful for both sides...
The cap savings ofr the Oilers would go a  long way and Mete/Byron are ELITE skaters...they are two guys who can play at McDavid pace if that is humanly possible ...

Nuge plays a significant amount of time at Centre. Does Gallagher play centre? 

Wingers are not worth much on the market. They are certainly not worth top 6 centres who are versatile.

Edmonton has depth on the left side. Any trade involving Klefbom will be for a right shot defender, not another left shot. 


You are probably getting grief because it is not a a good trade. PC wants to win now. This trade does not accomplish this. It does not bring them closer to the playoffs. This trade does not addres the primary areas of concern for Edmonton. It’s not a trade the Oilers would be interested in.
Gallagher plays in the blue paint....does Nuge do that? does any Oiler do that?

My fellow Habs fans are giving me more grief ...lol...both sides hate the deal.....tells me it may be fair.
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You’re really struggling here, Krob.

The issue isn’t fairness. It’s that it’s not a deal that adresses the primary needs of the Oilers.

Top 4 right shot D? Nope.
Powerplay specialist? Nope.
Soldifies goaltending? Nope.

Chia has gone on record stating he does not think wingers are worth giving up a lot for. It’s nice Gallagher goes in the paint but Edmonton is not going to make a trade that does not address their major issues for a winger, regardless of his paint presence. Further, PC and TM value centre depth. They aren’t going to surrender depth for futures

Your trade is getting grief because we don’t want those assets, not because of their perceived value.
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(2018-05-16, 10:18 AM)TheOilerFan83 Wrote: You’re really struggling here, Krob.

The issue isn’t fairness. It’s that it’s not a deal that adresses the primary needs of the Oilers.

Top 4 right shot D? Nope.
Powerplay specialist? Nope.
Soldifies goaltending? Nope.

Chia has gone on record stating he does not think wingers are worth giving up a lot for. It’s nice Gallagher goes in the paint but Edmonton is not going to make a trade that does not address their major issues for a winger, regardless of his paint presence. Further, PC and TM value centre depth. They aren’t going to surrender depth for futures

Your trade is getting grief because we don’t want those assets, not because of their perceived value.

Fair enough I am not an Oill fan....I watch them quite a bit....but do not follow them in press or on boards, etc....I thought your lack of depth at wing and cap space were as pressing but again I am no Oil fan.  I was not aware of the RD thing....what if Habs gave you Petry back instead of Alzer or Noah Juulsen over MEte?
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(2018-05-16, 10:18 AM)TheOilerFan83 Wrote: You’re really struggling here, Krob.

The issue isn’t fairness. It’s that it’s not a deal that adresses the primary needs of the Oilers.

Top 4 right shot D? Nope.
Powerplay specialist? Nope.
Soldifies goaltending? Nope.

Chia has gone on record stating he does not think wingers are worth giving up a lot for. It’s nice Gallagher goes in the paint but Edmonton is not going to make a trade that does not address their major issues for a winger, regardless of his paint presence. Further, PC and TM value centre depth. They aren’t going to surrender depth for futures

Your trade is getting grief because we don’t want those assets, not because of their perceived value.

Seems we lose center depth AND futures with them getting the #10 overall this year.

Not a fan of this trade proposal which is not to say that Gallagher is not a very good winger.
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Honestly, Montreal has nothing that we want or need. Not a good trading partner
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(2018-05-16, 09:38 AM)krob1000 Wrote: HI All,
Hab fan here...wondering what Oil fans think of a deal like this?? I started a Habs thread on it...IMO it is painful for both sides but ultimately help for both parties....wanted Edm take...

Before I get lambasted....let's consider that Gallagher is on a fantastic contract, his value likely at an all time high after a 30 goal season and still in prime years...so why the hell would I consider trading him? To be brutally honest this one would be painful...it is painful even considering it.....Gallagher is my sons favourite player by a landslide...always has been....and I would not want this to happen however, if I remove the heart side of it and look at it with my head I have to think other teams would be inquiring about him and willing to pay a steep price.....and the team that the Habs seem most suited to dance with is the Oilers....but I feel Patch has limited value to them. Gallagher? is a friend of LUcic, is exactly the type of productive, affordable, gritty winger the Oilers need so badly....then again every team needs a Gallagher. The Habs have well documented issues in the middle...the Oilers have issues at wing and in the cap space dept.

So any deal that included Gallagher me would be hurtful and have to be worth it AND would only be doable if the team was signing another leader like Tavares...AND knew they could get another good winger via UFA.


So anyways...here is my Edm proposal.....WARNING this will hurt to fathom.

Gallagher, Alzner, 3rd ROUND (not overall), Victor Mete and Byron to Edmonton

RNH, Klefbom and Edm 10th overall to Montreal

So HAbs get a top 6 C and a top 4 LD....signed and locked into lineup for at least 3 seasons in Nuge and 5 in Klefbom...and they get a 10th overall...this is why I like this deal.

Oilers get help on wing and Gallalgher would score a ton of goals going to net in EDM, Byron plays with speed, Mete will be more suited to Edm game than ours and would flourish....they eat Alzner contract but they can use a guy like that as they have so many other speedier guys to offset his game and he can stay at home for someone.

At this point our team is not really any better...but has plugged two gaping holes and still have tons of cap space, our other key bargaining chip in Pacioretty. We also now have room higher up in lineup to accelerate growth of Zadina and even Scherbak who I expect to have a breakout season this year....and I expect same from Lehkonen...I think this year both of those guys are going to be significant contributors.

NOW...would Tavares or Stastny sign  knowing team got rid of that many roster guys? I believe so...in fact I believe that this would actually help our chances at another UFA wing or  LD...as there are now legit openings and the team will now be looking good for foreseeable future...as there is a very good chance that after Patch deal as well that they end up with three first round picks...with one being Zadina .....if we all consider at this point that we now have Poehling and the three first rounders from this year that should in theory be 3 top 9 forwards and a top 4 d in pipeline...just out of those alone...yeah may not work out BUT may work out better actually, could wind up with two top 3 guys...it is a gamble but one I think I take.

This would be one painful trade ...for both parties....but in end I think it would help both teams as Oilers could use stabilizing presence of Alzner more than Montreal, they could better use Byron's speed game and cap savings (imagine McD/Byron PK duo? scary as hell...I might decline the PP), they could REALLY USE a guy like Gallagher and Mete would fit like a glove

NOTES
Gallagher signed one year longer than Nuge at 2.25 million less, from Edm and friend with Lucic and in MTL is captain material
Byron twenty goal guy at 1.1 million
Mte young fast as hell..future cap savings
Alzner...Edm could use a guy like this more than MOntreal...MTL has Weber and BEnn who paly similar defensive game....Oil may benefit from him

I love me some Gallagher, but not in any , way or form for that deal, especially with Every scout I know that is at the worlds and saying the chemistry between RNH and McD is off the charts.

I like Mete as well and man that kid has the exact same cross over skating style as McD does and is scary fast, unfortunately he is a Lefty and we are loaded with Lefties.

I always liked Byron as well and that contract is a great one for sure.



Alzner was not good at all last year for what he is getting paid

BUT  if the Oil were to actually move RNH to Montreal it would have to be a huge win for the OIL .
So Try this;

To Edmonton

#3 Overall ( Where the Oil would draft 1 of  Tkachuk or Zadina), Gallagher, C Man Ryan Poehling, D man Victor Mete.

To Montreal

RNH and 2nd rounder #40  and D man Caleb Jones

I really do not see the Oil trading RNH, but at least with that trade they get a bundle and it would be hard to turn down

#3 Overall they get a kid that will play now   on the 1st Left side
Mete will step in and play Now ( Next year and give them a few options as well on D)
Gallagher on the 2nd with Drai
With our #10 they can trade down as well for Bodie Wilde or a Merkley or a forward like Kuparri, Bokk or Noel.
Poehling is going to be a very very good 2 way C man that is in the mold of a Bo Horvat.

So this kind of an overpayment , I would think would be needed and if Montreal was that stupid to do that one, JUMP ON IT ( We would instantly restock the cupboards for cheap while adding 2 top 6 guys instantly)
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(2018-05-16, 10:25 AM)CTS Wrote: Honestly,   Montreal has nothing that we want or need.    Not a good trading partner

Sure they do.
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No ***** way. Like TOF said, we lose that trade on every level. I'd love Gallagher too, but let's be reasonable here.
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(2018-05-16, 10:25 AM)CTS Wrote: Honestly,   Montreal has nothing that we want or need.    Not a good trading partner

Carey Price?
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Gallagher could make good sense in Edmonton. RNH for Gally could be a good place to start discussions. I like RNH , but I'm not sure he has a long term future in Edninton at his price point.

Not sure about the rest of the deal though. Especially not Alzner. Yikes. Imagine him and Russel on the team.

Any bigger deal would probably necessitate MTL taking on one of the Gruesome Twosome, and I doubt they'd want to be a part of that.
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(2018-05-16, 11:39 AM)RyeRocks Wrote:
(2018-05-16, 10:25 AM)CTS Wrote: Honestly,   Montreal has nothing that we want or need.    Not a good trading partner

Carey Price?

I want no part of that contract for a goaltender who I have always thought was a bit over-rated (elite but over-rated) and, recently, cannot stay healthy or provide such elite tending on a consistent basis.
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Just wanted to drop in and say ohhh hell no to the initial offer, and have a nice day Happy.
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(2018-05-16, 11:53 AM)HockeyHippy Wrote: Gallagher could make good sense in Edmonton. RNH for Gally could be a good place to start discussions. I like RNH , but I'm not sure he has a long term future in Edninton at his price point.

Not sure about the rest of the deal though. Especially not Alzner. Yikes. Imagine him and Russel on the team.

Any bigger deal would probably necessitate MTL taking on one of the Gruesome Twosome, and I doubt they'd want to be a part of that.

RNH for Gallagher, sure, that makes more sense as a smaller deal, I guess.

Though, as a center that is very defensively responsible and has some offensive upside, RNH probably has a little more value as a player than Gallagher, but it's a better place to start. 

Apparently, some of them over there in the Montreal forum do not like RNH, they think he is too soft and too much like Plekanec.  

For a team that feels like they're too soft already, I am not sure an RNH for Gallagher trade would make sense to them, straight up.  So.... let's add Lucic to that deal then  Laugh.
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The Oil need help on the wing as a stop gap that doesn’t cost a major roster component while their other assets develop. They need help now but have kids pretty close to making an impact. There is ZERO need to spend material assets on a complimentary piece .

Nuge is our answer on McDavid’s wing. Period. He can also play centre at a top end level against stiff competition in case of injury, or those times the coach decides to mix LD, Connor and Nuge up. Finally, he has a good deal for his position what he brings and his age. Sure, Nuge only had 48 points but that was in 62 games and he was only permanently on McDavid’s wing for a touch mode then 1/3 of that.

As others have indicated, Oscar is tradeable and so is the 10th but the Oil want a top pairing O minded, preferably right side on the D. Your offer doesn’t address that

The Oil don’t need what you are selling for those prices.

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