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What's wrong with Smith? Experts weigh in
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An article by Kristen Anderson with interviews from former goaltenders.

LOS ANGELES — Between the aftermath of the U.S. mid-term elections, Le’Veon Bell’s cryptic comments, and rising Duke superstar Zion Williams, no one was talking about Wednesday’s National Hockey League highlights in Southern California.
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From the article.

NHL source who wished to remain anonymous: “You can try to beat it but we’re all getting older. You can take care of your body and prepare in the offseason but there is one thing that doesn’t change — we’re all getting older. Goaltenders peak at the age of 27-years-old. Physically, you need to do extra work but something that will catch up eventually is the test of time. The top-end goaltenders have a reaction time of 0.4 or 0.5-seconds. The time they have to analyze a shot combined with the time they move into a shot … the reaction time at age of 36 might be 0.6 or 0.7. His reaction time is slower based on the physiological effects of age.”
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I don't want to cherry pick (even if I just did). There is more to it than reaction time and I'm not sure Smitty's has dropped. There is no doubt some bad habits have creeped in and I put the blames on Signalet. Signalet doesn't play he game of course, but he sure as hell ought to be pointing out the flaws with video.
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Meanwhile Roberto Luongo beat the Oilers. Yay!
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(2018-11-09, 09:25 AM)Nanuuk Wrote: Meanwhile Roberto Luongo beat the Oilers. Yay!

He's 39!
And Ryan Miller just beat us, he's 38.

Laugh  I just posted a critique of goaltending in the Quacked thread. Shoulda put it here.
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Luongo didn't just "beat the Oilers" he was the main reason for it - he made 2 save of the year candidates in the first period and a near save of the year candidate a little later.

The Oilers dominated the first 10 minutes and Luongo was utterly sensational. The Panthers scored and took over from there.

If Lou doesn't come up HUGE in the first period, the game is likely very different.

Damn Lou.
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Oilers have a shit defense. I'm sure that plays into it too.
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Oilers shit defence plays in to Luongo's brilliant play early in the game?
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Yes.
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Most wins for the Flames in the last 15 seasons:
1. Kiprusoff, 305
2. Everybody else*, 257

* Ramo, Hiller, Smith, Elliott, Johnson, McLennan, Ortio, MacDonald, Rittich, Berra, Turek, Karlsson, McElhinney, Gillies, Sauve, Irving, Joseph, Backstrom, Toskala, Lack, Taylor, Boucher.

Gawd, I miss that man.
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"What's wrong with Smith?"... um... he's not that good of a goalie, never has been. He can play a few games in a row all worldly, but overall, he's pretty average.
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Smith was acquired to be a stop gap while prospects Rittich and Gillies developed. I believe the Flames management felt that one of the two would end up a starter and the other a back-up. It is hard to predict when they'd be ready to assume the mantle so a goalie capable of playing 55+ games with some certitude of competence was needed. And Smith fits that bill. Career GAA of 2.71 and career Sv% of .912, 225 wins, 225 losses over 14 seasons.

Right now he is well under his career average Sv%. While .912 isn't at a Vezina level, it should be sufficient for the Flames to get back into the play-offs this season.
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I think theDC might be on to something here.
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Not sure it’s fair to accuse Smitty of never being a decent goalie . He played on some terrible teams in Arizona and he still got them well into the playoffs not long ago . 
     The problem for me is Father Time . Not his fault but he is 38 I think going on 39 ? He hasn’t been reliable since January of last year . 
     I think now he has to earn the spot especially if the back up is out playing him . I say ride Rittich until he loses or doesn’t keep them n games . As long as he is keeping them in games and at least giving them a chance Rittich should be the man . 
       It’s as much an audition for him as a starter . At some point this season decisions have to be made for next year anyways . Let’s see if we can fix things in house . 
       Who knows , if Smitty has anything left maybe it would light a fire under his ass !
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He's only 36 Suits.
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(2018-11-10, 02:03 PM)Nanuuk Wrote: He's only 36 Suits.

  I thought he was 37 going on 38 in March . My bad he is still a pup !  Icon_razz Regardless he is a big goalie with bad hips so his 36 may as well be 40 . He is clearly on the decline again everybody gets old at some point .
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Can we be so lucky?

https://www.facebook.com/FlamesFrom80Fee...tn__=EHH-RFlames From 80 Feet
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David Rittich, who turned 26 in August, has 13 wins in his NHL career. That's one more than Miikka Kiprusoff had, when he was the same age. Kiprusoff would retire 11 years later with 319 wins -- and that included one season missed due to the 2004-05 NHL lockout.

By no means is this a prediction, but if you're wondering if there's still time for an 'older' guy like Rittich to eventually take over as the Flames starter, absolutely there is.
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Cash or cheque?
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So I thought I'd bump this thread as the Flames are going into the last half of the season precariously leading the Pacific Division.

To-date our goalies records are:


PLAYER GP W L OTL GA GAA SA SV% SO MIN
Rittich, David 27 17 4 3 60 2.45 746 .920 1 1471
Smith, Mike 23 12 9 1 66 3.09 578 .886 2 1281

Mike will be playing tonight and I hope he can regain his form. But what if he can't and is done. The Flames would need to acquire another goalie and cap space might be a problem. If they can trade Mike they would clear up cap room. But what if they waive him?

From what I've read on Wiki, if they did waive him his cap hit would go away. He would still get paid though.

Might this be an option? And before you say he's over 35 and that changes things according to Wiki...

"Under the 2005 CBA, if an NHL player is being sent to an NHL affiliate team in the AHL and is put through waivers and clears successfully, then his salary will not count against the respective NHL team's salary cap. The player is still paid his full salary. There is an exception to this rule; if the player has a contract that took effect after a player's 35th birthday, then that player's salary would still count against the NHL cap. Under the 2013 CBA, a team only derives a specific savings from demoting a player on a one-way contract to the AHL. This savings is calculated as league minimum plus $375,000."

If this is indeed an option it gives Tre another arrow in his Quiver.
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Ok I think Wiki is missing something here.

As I understand it, if you send an NHL vet to the AHL, only the first 950-1mil comes off the cap, the remainder stays.
This is to prevent loser teams from dumping their vets in the minors. If they only get a rookie salary's release it's not worth doing. This in my opinion why Brouwer was bought out rather than sent to Stockton.
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