(2018-12-12, 11:52 AM)Viable Wrote: You don't know your arse from a hole in the ground Bo.

The year Gretzky scored 92 goals he scored his 50th in his 39th game of the 80 game season. One season he scored 215 points, including 52 goals.

Here: you need to look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ca...ne_Gretzky

Do yourself a favour and stop with the "my generation had all the best players" crap.

I know I really shouldn't get into it with you because judging by your predictable responses to Bo, I don't see this going anywhere but here goes nothing:

First let me declare that I too think Gretzky is the best player of all time, because you really can't fight the stats, but nobody here is going to deny that nor is my intention to prove Ovechkin was "better" than Gretzky, but this has turned into an argument (as it always does) over which era was "easier" to score in.

-The year Gretzky scored his career high 92 goals, 1981-82, there were

10 players who scored 50 or more. That same year, Bossy had 64 goals and 3rd place had 60 goals.

- That same year 22 players total scored 40+ goals.

In comparison:

- The year Ovechkin scored his career high 65 goals, 2007-2008, only

2 other players scored 50 or more. Kovalchuk had 52, and Iginla had 50.

-There were only 10 players total that year who had 40+ goals.

-The year Gretzky scored 87 goals in 82-83, there were 8 other 50+ goal scorers and

24 players who scored 40+ that year.

- In 1979-1980, the year Gretzky scored his lowest 50+ goal season (51) in his career,

he was 6th that year along with 9 other 50 goal scorers.

In comparison, Ovechkin's lowest 50+ goal season, he scored exactly 50 twice in his career (09-10 and 15-16). In 09-10, he finished 3rd behind Stamkos and Crosby who tied for 51 that year (only 3 50 goal scorers) and in 15-16 he was the lone 50 goal scorer. Both those seasons

combined had only 11 players who scored 40+ goals, I repeat, two combined seasons saw only eleven 40+ goal scorers.

Basically I'll break it down like this, Gretzky's 9 seasons of 50+ goals and then how many players that year scored 50+ and 40+:

79-80: 9 with 50+, 24 with 40+

80-81: 8 with 50+, 19 with 40+

81-82: 10 with 50+, 22 with 40+

82-83: 7 with 50+, 23 with 40+

83-84: 8 with 50+, 24 with 40+

84-85: 9 with 50+, 23 with 40+

85-86: 6 with 50+, 23 with 40+

86-87: 5 with 50+, 17 with 40+

88-89: 6 with 50+, 22 with 40+

(by the way the 40+ includes the 50+ as well)

In Comparison, Ovechkin so far has had 7 seasons of 50+ goals, and here are the same stats:

05-06: 5 with 50+, 11 with 40+

07-08: 3 with 50+, 10 with 40+

08-09: 1 with 50+, 8 with 40+

09-10: 3 with 50+, 7 with 40+

13-14: 1 with 50+, 3 with 40+

14-15: 1 with 50+, 3 with 40+

15-16: 1 with 50+, 4 with 40+

(again I included the 50+ scorers with the 40+ numbers)

Just by looking at that alone, you can see the difference in goal scoring through both era's. Gretzky scored 50+ 9 times but only led the league in goals 5 out of those 9 times, believe it or not the other 4 seasons he scored 50+ he wasn't even the best goal scorer that year.

Ovechkin won the Rocket 5 out of the 7 times he scored 50+ and was only beat out by 1 goal in 09-10 and 4 goals in 05-06. In the four seasons that Gretzky scored 50+ and didn't lead the league in goals, the winners had:

79-80: 56 goals (Gretz 52)

80-81: 68 goals (Gretz 55)

85-86: 68 goals (Gretz 52)

88-89: 85 goals (Gretz 54)

In addition to that, Ovechkin plays in an era where you don't even need to score 50 goals to lead the league in goals and win the Richard trophy as evidenced by his wins in 2013 and 2018.

Again, not to say Gretzky isn't arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time, but there were plenty of seasons where he simply wasn't the best goal scorer in the league during that year. This is also ignoring the fact that Gretzky's goal scoring started dwindling into his 30's whereas apparently Ovechkin has hit his 30's and still scoring.

Keep in mind, I'm only comparing two players from each era with these stats. This doesn't even take into consideration all the other seasons with low goal scoring leaders and stats comparing the number of 50 or 60 goal scorers in the 80's and in the 2000's.