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Shorting the Long Ball - Lumbergh - 2017-01-11

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/big-read-mlb-execs-still-dig-long-ball/

An interesting article on the home-run landscape change in the MLB.  In case any of you guys missed it, I thought I'd share.   Happy


RE: Shorting the Long Ball - shadylane - 2017-01-11

It's always hilarious hearing an agent dismiss the "nuances" of player performance. Unless all he represents are players like Chris Carter and Mark Trumbo, those nuances will get you paid, dummy. Most front offices are well aware of the value that defense and baserunning bring. And players like Billy Hamilton and Kevin Pillar, who have very little power and aren't that good with the bat, are fan favourites. Go figure.


RE: Shorting the Long Ball - Unreal - 2017-01-11

I think advanced metrics have simply improved the understanding of what a player brings to the table beyond traditional stats like HR and RBI.

Chris Carter led the league in HR, but he also had over 200 strikeouts and an unremarkable OBP. 41 HR means a lot less when your WAR is just 0.9.

It's not that HR don't have value, it's just a lot easier to see their overall value aside from HR.


RE: Shorting the Long Ball - Chris D - 2017-01-11

its interesting how the HR has had the perception of having so much value, and seemingly made other aspects not as important.

just for an example....George Bell won the MVP in '87 with a WAR of 5.0. Trammel came in second with a WAR of 8.2. The big difference between them was Bell's 47HR and 137RBIs, compared to Trammels 28HR and 105RBI.

those numbers gave Bell the majority of the first place votes.

there were 6 position players with better WAR than Bell...one of them his own team mate, Tony Fernandez....but the homers got the love. Clemens had a WAR of 9.4..nearly double Bell, and he was way down in 19th, despite leading baseball in WAR

That same year...Andre Dawson...on a last place team...had a WAR of only 4. lowest out of anyone in the top 10 in the MVP voting. But his 49HRs and 137RBIs swayed the votes.

If voters voted now...they way they did then...Trout wouldn't even have the two he has.


RE: Shorting the Long Ball - shadylane - 2017-01-11

Steve Phillips of all people actually framed this topic in an intelligent way today over at TSN. Essentially saying, Mark Trumbo had 667 plate appearances last season. 47 of those ended up as home runs. That leaves 620 PAs where something else happened. Or a whopping 93% of his times to the plate.

That's a lot of time for a player with poor plate discipline to chip away at the value of the long balls he hits. Not to mention the weak base running and defense that also contributes to WAR.